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Mar. 28th, 2004 | 11:16 pm

OK.... I got some issues with this priest in Utica coming out saying he is gay......

well.... ok... When he became a priest, he took a veil of celibacy (maybe spelled wrong).....

When you take a veil of celibacy, it means you don't have sex....

Being gay is a SEXUAL orientation....

If you don't have sex and aren't supposed to think about it or anything, how would he know he was gay???

I dunno... it makes sense to me...



A longtime pastor at the St. Francis DeSales Church in Utica is coming out and admitting he's gay.

Father Fred Daley he's been a pastor for more than a decade at the church, on Eagle Street, in Utica.

Ralph Stevens, who works in the church and knows the priest well, says he supports Daley.

"He's always been there for me, helped me through situations. He's the type of priest I wish I had when I was a kid growing up," said Stevens.

During a phone interview, Daley said he's coming out because he wants folks to know there are gay priests, like himself, who are living celebrate lives and doing fine ministry. He hopes his admission will help disarm homophobia.

Parishioners like Stevens say where Daley has made a difference is helping people in the area, and he's received awards for it. But the priest has also found himself in the middle of controversy when he was supposed to speak at a 9/11 ceremony two years ago but was asked not to because his church was hosting a mass for gays and lesbians.

The mass went on, and with it came the controversy.

Utica resident Kelly Wenzel isn't in favor of Daley being a priest.

"I don't think in God's eyes it's appropriate for that in any type of manner, whether it be male or female. I think in the church, it's inappropriate, so maybe they shouldn't be in the church," said Wenzel.

Daley says he hopes his disclosure will ease tensions about homosexuals serving in the Church, and help other gay priests to come forward and admit their sexuality.

The Syracuse Catholic Diocese was not available for comment.



I dunno... to me, it just makes NO sense....

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james

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from: fgcusabre
date: Mar. 28th, 2004 08:35 pm (UTC)
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why do they take a vow of celibacy? and what do they do it they get married?

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Don

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from: shoshiki
date: Mar. 28th, 2004 08:39 pm (UTC)
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they can't... in the catholic church.. sex is considered a sin if not in a marriage.. and priests and nuns don't have sex or get married...

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from: anonymous
date: Mar. 28th, 2004 09:07 pm (UTC)
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A simple dictionary, or perhaps even a bit of thinking, could have solved this oh-so-difficult question of yours.

Let us first consult our dear friend, Mr. Webster. According to Webster's dictionary "celibacy," a noun, is "(1) the state of not being married" or "(2a) abstention from sexual intercourse" or "(2b) abstention by vow from marriage." Clearly, in the case of the priest, it's all three sense of the word, primarily the latter two.

Now, to tackle that tricky definition of "sexual orientation" we must run over to The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, because our dear Mr. Webster neglected to include "sexual orientation" in his book. (Bad, bad, Mr. Webster!) There we find that "sexual orientation," a noun, is "The direction of one's sexual interest toward members of the same, opposite, or both sexes."

Now, let's see if we can't put two and two together, shall we?

Your conjecture is that because a priest is abstaining from sex and marriage, he is therefore incapable of having a sexual orientation, but it is in the very definition of the terms where you find your error.

While a priest *does* abstain from sex and marriage that does not necessarily mean that he has no sex drive (which would be physically impossible without castration), but rather that he is simply forbidden upon acting upon that drive. The direction of the man's sexual interest is aimed towards men, but he does not act (hopefully, for the church's sake) act upon that interest.

Think about it, when you were a young boy you were attracted to women (assuming you're straight) long before you engaged in any sexual activity with them. You knew you were straight (or in other words, you had defined your sexual orientation) long before you engaged in intercourse or was wed (or in other words, while you were still celibate).

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Don

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from: shoshiki
date: Mar. 28th, 2004 09:10 pm (UTC)
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I will reply simply to unscreen this comment...
however, I refuse to comment on it or debate the issue with you until you can post your actual name so that I know who I am debating...

a debate fuels no hard feelings.

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from: anonymous
date: Mar. 29th, 2004 10:10 am (UTC)
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Well, I'm glad you're not going to debate the issue, seeing as there is nothing to debate. You were simply mistaken, take it like a man. ;)

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Don

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from: shoshiki
date: Mar. 31st, 2004 09:56 pm (UTC)
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oh no, I would debate it with most people... but not a coward.....

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irisira03

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from: irisira03
date: Mar. 29th, 2004 03:40 am (UTC)
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Just because you take a vow of celibacy doesn't mean you stop being human. Being a homosexual means you are attracted to the same sex. He's attracted to other men. Doesn't mean he acts on it. In fact, that may be exactly why he decided to be a priest - so he would not act on it.

Why he came out publicly and said that, I don't know. Probably to discredit the sex scandal thing. Everyone is blaming it on homosexuals/the fact that priests can't marry. Hi - pedophiles aren't interested in grown women OR grown men.

/2 cents

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from: cate1130
date: Mar. 29th, 2004 08:19 pm (UTC)
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Well Don...first of all..people can't help wihat they feel. But he is still a male..just because he looks at men instead of women...doesn't mean he is having sex. Males are always thinking about sex...that doesn't change just because of a perfession. He isn't acting on it...

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