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Jan. 2nd, 2003 | 01:44 am

may I have your attention please...
If you are bored.. (and already did the survey)... check out this thread:

http://www.livejournal.com/talkread.bml?journal=ljconfessional&itemid=1359915

pretty damn interesting....

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Kelly

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from: girlfloyd
date: Jan. 1st, 2003 11:20 pm (UTC)
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awww. man, people are soo bashing the guy! kinda retarded but entertaining.

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Don

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from: shoshiki
date: Jan. 1st, 2003 11:24 pm (UTC)
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yeah but he is bringing it on and keeps it going!!!!

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from: sasssyx
date: Jan. 1st, 2003 11:37 pm (UTC)
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it's not my fault he's a dumbass ;/

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Kelly

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from: girlfloyd
date: Jan. 1st, 2003 11:47 pm (UTC)
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true, I think he was trying to brag when he made that post, um, ok.

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Don

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from: shoshiki
date: Jan. 1st, 2003 11:50 pm (UTC)
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I am very surprised you didn't comment in there...
I dunno why that is.. prolly cause I have seen you go off in the past :-D

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Kelly

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from: girlfloyd
date: Jan. 1st, 2003 11:56 pm (UTC)
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nah, people's sexual adventures are not my business.

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Don

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from: shoshiki
date: Jan. 2nd, 2003 12:06 am (UTC)
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ahhh.. yet something tells me if it was me in his position...

hell.. if it was me in his positions i'd let you help aim the gun at my head...

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from: opettaa
date: Jan. 1st, 2003 11:56 pm (UTC)
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I don't know... I have some good friends who are poly and it works for them..

interesting community though..

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Don

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from: shoshiki
date: Jan. 2nd, 2003 12:22 am (UTC)
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It's not very well accepted in society...

along with being ILLEGAL in most states....

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from: opettaa
date: Jan. 2nd, 2003 12:31 am (UTC)
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well.. my friends are usually not that concerned with social acceptability. much less so than I am, but I tend to find more eccentric people than myself to hang out with. lol. ....

I like to leave what they decide for their own lovelifes up to them...but as for legality...I don't really think love or sex can be effectively regulated by law..

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Don

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from: shoshiki
date: Jan. 2nd, 2003 12:40 am (UTC)
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I just don't agree with it... Why be married if you can't be loyal to one another????

While it can't be regulated... it dosen't make it right still...
It's not the right thing to do, if you get married, you are with that person.. as it says.. Till death do you part...
(or till you sign the divorce papers)

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from: p0psiqles
date: Jan. 2nd, 2003 12:31 am (UTC)
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I think it'spretty immature to be arguing back and forth like that

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Don

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from: shoshiki
date: Jan. 2nd, 2003 12:34 am (UTC)
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so then you think it's all good?

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from: p0psiqles
date: Jan. 2nd, 2003 12:35 am (UTC)
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no I don't.. BUT I do think it is fucking retarded as hell that people argue like that

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Don

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from: shoshiki
date: Jan. 2nd, 2003 12:38 am (UTC)
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They are trying to get their point across (in this point, the right one...)

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from: p0psiqles
date: Jan. 2nd, 2003 12:39 am (UTC)
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I am ending this in saying that all your points mean shit to them

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Don

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from: shoshiki
date: Jan. 2nd, 2003 12:45 am (UTC)
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Awww, you are sooo nice to me :-P

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Dawn

*coughs*

from: crackofdawn
date: Jan. 2nd, 2003 12:56 am (UTC)
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Right in your opinion.

Anyone who claims to know what's right and what's wrong doesn't know shit about it. (No offence, I hope. This, you see, is just my opinion, and, well, I could be wrong, as could anybody else)

In this world there are very few solid rights and wrong. And looking around and saying 'Well, that is OF COURSE wrong,' is one of those things so many people do which I wish they wouldn't. The truth is, no-one can know what is right or wrong for anyone else, only themselves (of course taking into account the 'not hurting anyone else' rule I stated earlier. Murder, rape, etc are, um. Wrong. :)

And, uh, yeah. I hate black and white statements.

With all due respect and all.

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Don

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from: shoshiki
date: Jan. 2nd, 2003 01:06 am (UTC)
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of course taking into account the 'not hurting anyone else' rule I stated earlier.

you are with someone.. and you sleep with someone else, you hurt them...
maybe not murder, rape, etc... but it will hurt them...

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Dawn

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from: crackofdawn
date: Jan. 2nd, 2003 01:22 am (UTC)
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Well. This is why I'm against cheating. I'm fully against it. It makes me angry. I agree that cheating on someone is wrong. And it can hurt. I've done it and I've had it done to me. It generally hurts all the parties involved.

However,

Polygamy isn't cheating. It's based on the idea that all the people involved KNOW what is going on, and are okay with it. If someone is in a polyamorous relationship and is still hurt, they obviously weren't built for that sort of relationship, or maybe they just weren't ready. But in a 'normal', healthy polyamorous relationship, in which all the participants a) know what they're getting into and b) are okay with it will not, actually, hurt anyone.

And that, you see, is the whole point of my argument.

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Don

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from: shoshiki
date: Jan. 4th, 2003 09:48 am (UTC)
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Your point is well thought out and it makes sense...
But, it's one of my morals and therefore set in stone that a relationship or a marriage is between 2 people and 2 people only.. there is not room for feelings for a 3rd.. or 4th in that relationship...
so
while I see your point.. and it was a good point..
My mind is set :-D

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Dawn

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from: crackofdawn
date: Jan. 2nd, 2003 12:48 am (UTC)
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Yeah. I saw that before, on my other journal. And I saw your comment and I was like, Dude! Connection! But, err, yeah.

It offended me at first because people who cheat, well, offend me.

But since it's all out in the open and stuff (or so he says, at least), I can't really judge the guy, being polyamorous myself.

There is nothing wrong, really, with it. In my opinion, at least. The guy seems to know his stuff. He doesn't seem to just be some asshole who as adopted the term 'polyamorous' just so he can feel he has license to screw around.

Although his hair style should die.

I believe it is possible to be in love with more than one person at a time (insomuch as love exists, which I'm not so sure about at this moment in time). I believe it is possible to be in love with one person and still want to be sexually close with another and not (here's the important part) be a bad person.

I do not believe marriage is inherently sacred. It can become so if the people involved in it believe it is, I guess. Be for people who do not believe it is sacred then, well, it isn't. Many couples get married as a way to say 'Yes, I want to be with you forever' and some add on the sentence 'But not *just* you.' Maybe a polyamorous couple will get married because they are sure they want to be together forever and it makes it easier to file taxes. Yes, their secondary partners may come and go, but they will be together for a long, long time.

I believe polygamy can actually help strengthen a relationship, and keep the couple together longer because there is no 'Cheating', and there is no desire to cheat.

The fact that in some places cheating, or polyamory are illegal doesn't mean they are wrong. Hell, in some places abortion is illegal, or homosexuality, or sex outside of marriage. In many places drug use and prostitution are, indeed, illegal. I tend to think I'm very openminded, and my thought on it all is that as long as someone isn't hurting anyone else, it's not really 'wrong'. Maybe not right for *you*, but not wrong as in 'Let me judge you, motherfucker, you're going to hell.'

I don't think you're going to agree with me here (in fact I know you won't) but I thought I'd throw in another side of the story, from a woman who's lived it :P

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Don

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from: shoshiki
date: Jan. 2nd, 2003 01:00 am (UTC)
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You are right.. I don't agree with you...
Lets say I am married to you.. But I like someone else.. It's morally wrong for me to do anything about that.. even if, say, you like her husband.. make sense??
eh...
I know I would get a divorce from my wife the first time I heard about it happening...

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Dawn

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from: crackofdawn
date: Jan. 2nd, 2003 01:29 am (UTC)
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Lets say I am married to you.. But I like someone else.. It's morally wrong for me to do anything about that.. even if, say, you like her husband.. make sense??

Not at all. Not if we discussed it beforehand. And if the other husband and wife were aware of what was going on and okay with it

But, as we both are probably aware, you are not polygamous. Obviously. So therefore you're not likely to find yourself in a situation like that. And if you're not polygamous and haven't discussed it with your wife and are fully against sleeping with anyone outside your marriage, then yes, if either of you had sex with someone else, it would technically be classified as cheating.

Though honestly, I think if your wife ever cheated on you, you should give her a chance to change. Everyone makes mistakes and all that. Though of course, if it happened again, yeah, she probably wouldn't change.

But that's all hypothetical and has nothing to do with the topic at hand, anyway.

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Don

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from: shoshiki
date: Jan. 4th, 2003 09:51 am (UTC)
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Though honestly, I think if your wife ever cheated on you, you should give her a chance to change. Everyone makes mistakes and all that. Though of course, if it happened again, yeah, she probably wouldn't change.

As much as I wouldn't want to give her a chance to change.. I am sur eyou know me well enough to know that I would...
Marriage is a sacred thing to me.. and I wanna get to my 50th anniversary... If I went through 10 years of marriage to find out that my wife cheated once and was truely sorry... I would forgive her.. but NEVER forget it...

and...

But that's all hypothetical and has nothing to do with the topic at hand, anyway

Never know ;-) hehe

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from: ex_un_popula347
date: Jan. 2nd, 2003 01:31 am (UTC)
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ugh.

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Creater of my own little world

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from: majesticlady911
date: Jan. 2nd, 2003 07:48 am (UTC)
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what a freak!

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