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Jul. 30th, 2002 | 04:31 pm
mood: hothot
music: SPLASH!!!!!!!!!!

Yet another uneventful day.. as in.. I really did nothing productive...
Had a rotary meeting, went to that... Nothing really special there...
Then went and stopped my my fathers firehouse and shot the shit...
and now I am home...
There was some interesting things in the news though..
While I was at the firehouse, the mini (small firetruck) went on a call that at first came across as a "possible heart"... then 2 minutes later they said it was a shooting...
Apparently a probation officer dropped her .45 and it went off... shot THROUGH the floor.. and hit the guy in the downstairs apartment while he was making hamburger patties sitting at his kitchen table...
Talk about some bad luck..
I dunno if he lived or died or anything... I just think it's kinda interesting...

Oh.. And I am waiting for my civil service test results.. I took the damn test in the begining of June.. You would think they could get them out.. I'm interested to know if I scored high enough to be called... (which, I sould be called.. cause I didn't put down a race)...
See.. that affirmative action shit is just simply racism... Thank about it...
If I (a white male who was never in the military) scored a 95 on the test.. and there were 10 people who scored a 100... and lets just say that the first "non white".. be it african american, hispanic, whatever... scored a 90.... They would SKIP me and go to him because they can't take all white people..

All I have to say to that is What The Fuck...
They took the same dod damned test as I did.. Why do they get special treatment?
Last time I checked the color of your skin dosen't dictate how smart you are...
So... Lets just say I'll be looking at the scores closely... If I am passed over... I'll be busy with a lawsuit... Cause that is just plain wrong...

So.. yeah, now that I did my bitching for the day..
I'M GOING SWIMMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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from: ophelia_speaks
date: Jul. 30th, 2002 05:38 pm (UTC)
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Affirmative action was put into place to make sure that all races got an equal opportunity at getting hired and made sure the test was not biased towards a specific race. While there may have been 10 white people to get a 100 and the next highest black was a 90, it may be that way because the test was biased. The ten people may have gotten a 100 simply because they were white and the test is slanted that way. So that's why there's affirmitive action and equal opportunity.

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from: shoshiki
date: Jul. 30th, 2002 06:35 pm (UTC)
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Sweetie, you do NOT want to open this can of worms with me..
Then they can make the test be written by a white person, a blak, a hispanic, etc...
The test is not "biased"... It's a simple test.. we are talking reading comprehension...
And we are talking like 10th grade level at that..
And furthermore.. Blacks, Hispanics, etc. go to the same schools and are taught the SAME things every other race is taught... So how can a standardized test be biased towards one race over another?
It can't....
Like I said... Affirmative Action is simply government sponsored racism/sexism. Simple as that...

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Yes

from: ophelia_speaks
date: Jul. 30th, 2002 09:31 pm (UTC)
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why do you think predominately black schools have lower than national sat scores? the test is biased. it's as simple as that. why is the black population as a whole making less money and less educated than the white population? affirmitive action is designed to give those that would normally not even be considered a CHANCE at getting the job you were eligible for because of your skin color.

you are getting afforded your opportunities as a white american male. trust me, you're not getting jipped out of anything. trade shoes with someone else and then complain about state sponsored "racism" against white people.

"If half of the people of color who are admitted to schools under affirmative action programs were cut, the acceptance rates of white men would only increase by 2%."

i can't believe an exchange student could be so close minded.

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Don

Re: Yes

from: shoshiki
date: Jul. 31st, 2002 06:38 pm (UTC)
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What is the attendance rate of those predominately black schools?
Do ya think that maybe the students doing poorly on the tests are the same people who don't go to class/do homework/care?

Hell, if I was in any other race category, and I was pushed in FRONT of a line of people who scored better than me?
I would ask why.. cause in this country now it's supposed to be EQUAL! They wouldn't owe me anything.. I'm too young to have been supressed...

It's not being close minded.. I spent a year as a minority, I know how it is... And I never EXPECTED special treatment because I was white and not asian like everyone else...
So... Don't even THINK of calling me close minded...

I'm making a good point as to why it should be stopped... Why should we accept someone who scored lower on a general knowledge test before a higher score cause of their skin color... thats the question...
and there is no good answer for it...

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Re: Yes

from: ophelia_speaks
date: Jul. 31st, 2002 11:12 pm (UTC)
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don't place all the blame on the african american race. it pisses me off to no end how you could say that they don't want to be there and they don't care and that's why their test scores are low. i suppose if you CARED enough to understand the problem, you'd realize that it's not just that the entire non-white race doesn't give a shit enough to come to school.

what's supposed to be isn't always what happens.
it's supposed to be a free country and it's supposed to be equal but it's not. i'd like it to be, but it's not. there is still discrimination in job hiring and pay, whether it be appearance or race or gender or what have you.
the kkk still exists and has the audacity to hold white pride parades on martin luther king day.

you shouldn't have expected special treatment because you were a foreigner. you never needed to support a family and kids. you never had to apply for a job. this is where these people call home.

EQUAL rights are not SPECIAL rights.

don't get your panties in a bunch, if the test was as easy as you say it was, you have nothing to worry about. shut up and stop worrying about your goddamn "reverse racism." when you experience real racism, we'll talk.

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Don

Re: Yes

from: shoshiki
date: Aug. 2nd, 2002 11:31 am (UTC)
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Never once did I say that ALL the non white races do not care or go to school...
I said that when you look at the stats, the scores are brought down by those that don't really care about school and/or don't go to school and take the tests...
Yes, it happens to whites too.. But usually those whites don't bother taking the standardized testing and simply drop out and continue onto a life of being a loser...
What I am saying is that they take the average test score.. and see that it is lower for non-whites and assume that because the score is lower, it is biased...
that is bullshit...
It's almost as bad as one of the problems they have up here now...
The black population of Syracuse is accusing the city police of racial profiling because 92% of the loitering tickets issued in the last year were to blacks...
Well.. Guess what, the majority of people who hang out on street corners and in parking lots and stuff up here are what color?
Your right, black....
You don't see many whites, hispanic, asian, etc.. hanging out on the corners/in front of stores...
So how is the police dept. guilty of racial profiling when the main people breaking this law are black?
It's the same type of thing with the tests...
If they don't score high, maybe it's cause they just wern't good enough for the job...
Cause I am sure there are enough minorities who are capable of scoring high enough to get on without affirmative action...

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Re: Yes

from: ophelia_speaks
date: Aug. 2nd, 2002 02:24 pm (UTC)
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have you heard of self-fulfilling prophecy?
that might be a good term to look up.

don, you are not a test maker and people have been doing this for years and years. is it not ok to assume that someone knows what they're doing when they interpret test scores? perhaps you should take a statistics course. and while you're at it, you can take SOCIOLOGY too.

most people that don't care or don't go to school wouldn't bother with taking a $20 some-odd-dollar test. perhaps you should "look at the stats" for yourself before you speak. they're available on a large scale nation-wide basis-- www.collegeboard.com

so, enlighten me, donny boy. why is it that the average non-white score is lower then? why is it that dumb black people take the test and dumb white people don't? are the black people just plain dumber than the rest of us? why is it that only the black people don't care? why do you suppose black people just "aren't good enough" for the job? and why do only black people hang out loitering? and by the way, i'd like to see the law that says it's illegal to hang out in front of a building.

i'm not reading any of your racist bullshit until you answer me that.

and don't try to say it's not racist.

RACIST: The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others

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Don

Re: Yes

from: shoshiki
date: Aug. 2nd, 2002 05:13 pm (UTC)
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NOTHING that I said was racist...

And as far as standing in front of stores... most stores, if you look, especially in high crime areas, have signs that say "no loitering"
And, (not sure how it is there).. but here, 9 out of 10 times, the people who ARE loitering are the blacks...
So, the fact that they are coming in and saying that the police are racial profiling is just plain stupid... 93% of the tickets written were written to blacks cause they are the ones who do it the most...

I'm not going to bother continueing this conversation as you have stooped to the level of calling me names (a racist) and such...

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answer the questions!

from: ophelia_speaks
date: Aug. 2nd, 2002 07:18 pm (UTC)
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first of all, "your racist bullshit" is not "name calling" and calling you a racist.

second of all, you didn't answer any of my questions. i wasn't expecting you to anyway.

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Don

Re: answer the questions!

from: shoshiki
date: Aug. 3rd, 2002 12:59 pm (UTC)
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I'm not going ot answer your questions cause you know that anything I say you are not going to agree with and we coulf go ON and ON and ON... This is one of those subjects that Don and Laura are never going to see eye to eye on and it is better to just agree to disagree on it...
I think you know what I mean... I'm at one side and you are all the way at the other side... And there is not even ground between us...

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Re: answer the questions!

from: ophelia_speaks
date: Aug. 3rd, 2002 07:22 pm (UTC)
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actually i was just wondering what your reasoning was behind your statements because it's totally illogical to me. also i wanted to see if you could come up with an answer, cause i know i sure as hell couldn't.

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Don

Re: answer the questions!

from: shoshiki
date: Aug. 5th, 2002 11:03 pm (UTC)
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no, I'm not going to... why can't you just say "ok, we don't see this the same way... lets just drop it" instead of making it like a stake drivin between us?

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Re: answer the questions!

from: ophelia_speaks
date: Aug. 6th, 2002 04:42 pm (UTC)
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because i don't chose to associate with people who have hate in their hearts. sorry, that's my personal opinion and i'm sticking to it. i'm going to be working over 40 hours a week promoting peace and if all you have to say are generalizations about black people, i don't have room for you in my agenda. if you were willing to listen to what i'm saying and maybe accept that violence and hate isn't the answer, we'll talk. until then, i don't need to hear what you have to say.

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Don

Re: answer the questions!

from: shoshiki
date: Aug. 6th, 2002 07:19 pm (UTC)
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When did I say anything about violence and hate being the answer... And when did I have hate in my heart?
There are VERY few people in this world that I hate...
I'm talking like... less than 5....

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