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Mar. 28th, 2003 | 03:16 pm

Post shamelessly stolen from psychdreamer's journal cause I agree 110% with it all


After hearing that the state of Florida changed its opinion and let a Muslim woman have her picture on her driver's license with her face covered this is an editorial written by an American citizen, published in a Tampa newspaper. He did quite a job; didn't he? Read on, please!

IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely made up of descendants of immigrants. However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand. This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles, trials, and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.

We speak ENGLISH, not Spanish, Portuguese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!

"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian, right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.

If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle. Our First Amendment gives every! citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great American freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

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james

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from: fgcusabre
date: Mar. 28th, 2003 08:22 pm (UTC)
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yea...it is sad it was appoved... :(

here is a pciture

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from: sasssyx
date: Mar. 28th, 2003 08:55 pm (UTC)
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that's bullshit, i tell you...

isn't the point of HAVING id to be able to IDENTIFY someone?
wtf? if someone showed me an id like that i'd say "sorry, i need another picture ID".

bleh.

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Erin

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from: icyblue
date: Mar. 28th, 2003 08:40 pm (UTC)
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I hate to do this because I think it will make me seem intolerant or not open-minded.

But I don't like to put myself in a position where I am constantly angry. And, unfortunately, about 75% of the time when I read your journal, this occurs.

I just wanted to let you know that I am going to remove you from my friends list.
You're just not good for my mental health.

I hope you can understand this and hope there are no hard feelings.

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Don

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from: shoshiki
date: Mar. 28th, 2003 10:26 pm (UTC)
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What was wrong with that post??

If someone comes here, they should learn the language or get out...

No more of this voting booths in 3 languages and drivers license tests in 13 language crap...

It's just common sense!!

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Erin

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from: icyblue
date: Mar. 28th, 2003 11:01 pm (UTC)
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America is supposed to be a place where diversity is respected.

You don't respect that diversity, and therefore do not respect one of my fundamental beliefs.

It's hard for two people with differing fundamental beliefs to get along, I think.

So I am going to remove myself, thank you.

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Don

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from: shoshiki
date: Mar. 28th, 2003 11:19 pm (UTC)
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no no no you read tha tpost wrong... i DO support diversity... I think that it is great that people immigrate here from other countries...

What i DON'T support is those people who come over and expect US to speak THEIR language while they are living in OUR country and stuff...

They should learn English.. what they do in their own houses or amongst themselves is one thing... But when you practically have to be bi-lingual to go to San Antonio or Miami... Thats going a bit too far...

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Erin

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from: icyblue
date: Mar. 29th, 2003 08:55 am (UTC)
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I don't think it's going too far. It just reflects the culture of those particular cities. If you don't want to speak Spanish, then don't go to San Antonio.

Anyway, Don, this isn't the only issue that you have talked about that has bothered me, and I'm standing by my decision to delete you.

This is going to be my last comment to you.

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Don

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from: shoshiki
date: Apr. 3rd, 2003 10:15 pm (UTC)
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you DO know I miss ya on the regular posts though.. right? :-/

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Beth

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from: happydaysfan
date: Mar. 28th, 2003 11:20 pm (UTC)
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saying you should learn the language or get out does come off as rude. I'm sure you did not mean they have to speak the language right away--but it kind of came off that way.
Where I live there are a lot of people who speak spanish, japenese, vietnamese, Chinese etc... many of whom dont speak English at all or speak very little. Yes it can be annoying, esp when i'm at work and Id ont understand them--but maybe they cant afford to take the classes or they dont have time. A lot of older immigrents never learned English. I know a lot of families where the kids are the one's who trnaslate and know both languages becasue they go to school and grew up with English(or for those who immigrated here as children it was easier to pick up the language) a lot of the parents work and support their families the best way they can, with very little free time.
ALso English is a VERY hard language. Half of our rules of gramar or spelling make no sense at all if you think about them.

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Don

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from: shoshiki
date: Mar. 28th, 2003 11:36 pm (UTC)
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I have seen people who have lived here for YEARS and NEVER made an effort... yet they somehow become citizens and collect benefits... While we have to pay more taxes to employ bi-lingual people in order to help these people..

Thats besides the point..

I feel so strongly about this cause my grandparents came over on the boat from the Ukraine...

They worked full time supporting 4 kids and made it a POINT to go and learn english so that they could be a part of this country...

In my eyes, it is downright rude for a person to live in a foreign land and never learn a bit of the language... sure, maybe not right away, but, after a year theyshould be far enough along as to where you could have a simple conversation AT THE leAST with them..
Many of them are not... I lived next door to a family like that in MD and worked with a bunch of people like that in MD...

It's sad really...

If I went and lived in Japan... I would be busting my ass every free chance I had to improve my Japanese... Who am I to expect others to speak MY language while in THEIR country>???

follow?

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Beth

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from: happydaysfan
date: Mar. 29th, 2003 12:03 am (UTC)
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yeah but my point is dont judge if you dont know there cirumstance. Maybe they honestly do not have the time or money to do so. I dont know a lot about the classes to learn English, for all I know they may be free--but if they are not then..
I also agree that if you have lived somewhere for years and years, then def learn the language. But, dont expect it to be perfect or for someone to learn English the second they come here.
I can see your point, but I can also see the other side. I want to go live in Europe or perhaps in South or Central America for say a year, i've always wanted to live in another country.
But I dont expect that IW ill ever speak another languge fluently--but if I do go to live in Say Italy for ecample, will I take classes in the language and make an effort to learn at least simple words and phrases, yes
Will I ever be as good at speaking it as a native speaker, no.
I see no problem with voting boots in 3 languages, I bet a lot of the people who vote know English but since it is not their first langauge they comprehend thieir native language better.

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Don

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from: shoshiki
date: Mar. 29th, 2003 12:15 am (UTC)
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Again.. I don't expect it to be perfect the second they get here...
Language courses are free all over... there is ALWAYS some org. that offers them for free..

The only excuse for not learning a language is not having the will to...
I deal with exchange students all the time... when they get here they can't speak the language.. but they put forth an effort and by the time they return home they are pretty damn good... now that is just one year.. granted, they are immersed in the language...
If they wern't though, there would still be numerous places they would be able to pick up the language and within a year they would be able to at least form simple sentences and know key words in the english language....

I don't expect an immigrant to be fluent in the language.. most Americans aren't fleuent in English... It's just getting to a point of being able to communicate AT THE LEAST... Thats what I am referring to...

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Dreamcatcher

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from: psychdreamer
date: Mar. 29th, 2003 08:51 am (UTC)
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This post does not say that we don't repect diversity. If you feel that way then you are missing the point. Like many of you, my family also came here from another country. I am the first generation born in the US, my family came from Italy. Now until the day they died both of my grandparents spoke broken english but the point is that they learned to speak the language of the country that they chose to come to for a better life. I feel this country tolerates too much. Many immigrants, some of who I has personally talked to hate this country with a passion, but they come here to make money and send it home. So we are good enough for our money but they shit on us in every other possible way. In my opinion they dont need to be here! And what DLough says about the jobs is 100% true! I was once turned down for a job because I did not speak spanish, they decided to hire someone who is bilingual instead. I had all of the other skills required! Why should I be turned down for a job in my own country because I dont speak a foreign language???? In my opinion it doesn't make much sense.

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